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jciardha · Apr 11, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Prepare to die, heretic.

There are numerous threads on Mesmer board and Screenshot forum showing mesmer capability... such as the UW clearing by 8 mesmers. They are in no way useless, but some people are too ingrained in liking things that make big flashy lights and don't notice.

Feh, just look at his profile under his avatar. Seems quite trollishly provocative on purpose to me, and he's had it like that for some time.

To the OP: I won't repeat what some have said here about the mesmer class. However, in my experience, I've had 2000+ hours on my primary account, and I've had numerous characters come and go in that time. The only one that's stayed since the second day I've had this game is my mesmer. That was eight months ago.

And I still play him for hours and hours every week.

boxterduke · Apr 11, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Its true that its hard to get into groups as a Mesmer but its because 90% of the people that play this game know crap about it and they are just mainstream, going with the current build. Which is to me just shows how unimaginative the majority is.
Check the screenshot forums and see what mesmers can do.

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Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

Well actually, mesmers rock later in PvE.
But Fast Casting is pretty useless in PvE, with a couple of minor exceptions, so Ele/Me has almost all the possibilities of primary mesmer.

And how do you figure fast cast is useless in PvE.
I can get almost the 3rd Metor shower while an ele is just finishing up casting one.

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Sorry, I meant main class mesmer is worthless in pve.

And you are???
How is a mesmer useless in PvE?
Mesmers can play any class easier than any class can play any calss.
Fast cast anyone?
Have you gotten to the Chaos Planes in UW, lets see if you can clear it without a mesmer.

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To the OP, listen to the good people

Quote:

Originally Posted by jciardha

Feh, just look at his profile under his avatar. Seems quite trollishly provocative on purpose to me, and he's had it like that for some time.

To the OP: I won't repeat what some have said here about the mesmer class. However, in my experience, I've had 2000+ hours on my primary account, and I've had numerous characters come and go in that time. The only one that's stayed since the second day I've had this game is my mesmer. That was eight months ago.

And I still play him for hours and hours every week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Prepare to die, heretic.

There are numerous threads on Mesmer board and Screenshot forum showing mesmer capability... such as the UW clearing by 8 mesmers. They are in no way useless, but some people are too ingrained in liking things that make big flashy lights and don't notice.

Cherno · Apr 11, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

As for getting into groups, I honestly had about 0 problems getting into a group as my mesmer when I played through.

The hardest for some reason was Riverside Province. Other than that I got into groups as fast as any other profession whenever I advertised. Maybe I was just lucky.

Empirism · Apr 11, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

ascended both elementalist and mesmer, Ele is good and easy to get group, but i found it little boring to play for me.

mesmer...what can i say, very fun to play and powerful as hell in pve as well as pvp. Reason why people think they are worthless in pve, I just cant understand...there are no valid grounds for such opinions.

Elementalist is maybe more flexible and versatile what comes to secondary professions, but power of maximized mesmer domination for example and with good tank you soon notice how good shatter hex is forexample.

Mesmer is my choise, but have fun whichone you wish to choose anyway ^^

hf

SpeedyKQ · Apr 11, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I had such a blast trying a mesmer during the Factions preview - I can't wait for it to release so I can have the extra slots to make a permanent one. It'll be my first Factions character for sure.

Seemed more fun and more powerful than my ele to me, but maybe it was just the shiny-newness of it.

Empirism · Apr 11, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

speedy, i can tell, its not shiny-newness

nugzta · Apr 11, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Dont listen to noob d4nowar, I play all professions and I like mesmer the most. In pve, simply put the majority are noobs and/or ignorant. Noobs dont have skill which is required when playing mesmers. And they only judge from visual effect (warriors swinging weapons, eles cast meteor etc). While most of mesmers' work can hardly be seen by other people.

Quote:

"And it was, that a stranger came to the village of Wren seeking shelter and employment. Though young in years her body was stooped and twisted, her flesh eaten by disease.

"Ye have the mark of plague upon ye, said the citizen named Gallrick. Leave this place lest you sicken our people."

'I've lost my family and my home, cried the desperate woman. Have you no heart?"

Yet each persone, in turn, did look away.

Then from the crowd came a young woman, Sara. She looked upon the woman with pity. "If you need help," said Sara, "I will give it." And Sara did approach the gnarled, bent woman and did offer her a healing hand.

Then the sickend woman pulled from body the robes of plague, revealing Herself to be the goddess Lyssa.

The people of Wren fell to their knees, begging Lyssa's mercy. But lifting Sara gently, saith She, "True beauty is measured not by appearance but by actions and deeds. Many have eyes, but few have seen. Of all here, you saw the beauty behind the illusion. And you alone shall be blessed with My gifts."

-- Scriptures of Lyssa: 45 BE

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Apr 11, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

*looks around*

Again? We have to have another "Mesmers Rock/Suck" thread again?

Geez... To my fellow Mesmers who posted in this thread, just let it go.

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 11, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Both are pretty bad for pve... but Elementalists have one or two uses.

Go for that. (Or better yet... E/Me, if you just HAVE to be cool and try mesmer)

Mesmers are only good for pvp.

So you think mesmer are only good for pvp? ..

To the OP, you should try both (if you have two free slots) to see which one fits your playing style. We can tell you all the advantage for playing as mesmer or elementlist but it really up to you on which class suit you better.

Chanbara · Apr 11, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

They both have a lot of pluses to them. In PvE it's all about speed. Do you want to be pt'd early on in the game or later? Elementalists are awesome and get lots of invites early on because of their aoe's and high energy but by the time you make it to the crystal desert and the fire islands mesmers true power shines through.

I have one of each and I must admit that I love my nuker more, try that.
If you're not happy with it I'd try the mesmers.

Alleji · Apr 11, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Mesmer. Eles are nearly useless in PvE, since SS single-handedly owns every ele nuke... and when was the last time you've seen a non-nuker ele in PvE?

boxterduke · Apr 11, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Mesmer. Eles are nearly useless in PvE, since SS single-handedly owns every ele nuke... and when was the last time you've seen a non-nuker ele in PvE?

Another useless person saying that Mesmers and Eles are useless in PvE.
HMMMM when were you when no one wanted Necros in their groups.
You are just one of the mainstream people that jump on current builds.

You think SS would kill a monk with Mark of Protection.

Think again.

Count to Potato · Apr 11, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Fast Cast Me/E or Archane E/Me

Either are fine, i used both in air spikes and nuking

TruePlayer · Apr 11, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Well, according to the fact that you must decide Mesmer OR Elementalist primary and you only have one slot left, I would recommend Elementalist.

I have both, a primary Mesmer and a Elementalist. And having ~80 Energy is much more useful than FastCasting in PvE. You can easily be a decent Mesmer as primary Elemtalist, but you will lack Mana as a Mesmer trying to be an Elementalist.

But keep in mind, you can only add runes from your primary profession to your character.

Ele/Me (playing Mesmer) --> Lots of Mana(80+), not highest damage (runes!)

Me/Ele (playing Mesmer) --> Less Mana(40+), ideal damage (runes), Fast Cast

Choose Elementalist, Energy Storage makes him a good allrounder!

Str0b0 · Apr 11, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Mesmers are good in PvE if you take like a necro secondary for mass degen. They can really throw some degen down. Ele's are not totally useless so long as you get away from the idea of tossing AoE's around.

Theos · Apr 11, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Here we go again. Lets start with the topic at hand, which was the OP's actual question.

Both classes have their advantages, ofcourse one is more wanted than the other. In all honesty you can run Me/E or E/Me and have a similar effect either way, but if you wanted more, say diversity, then you will need to make a choice for yourself. The best way to do it would be to go through Pre sear with one, see if you like it and if you don't well, poof.

Lets list some advantages to see if any may suit your liking.

Elementalists:
~ Ability to deal "noticeable" AoE damage. See Ensign's Why Nuking Sucks for more.
~ Ability to spike and condition.
~ Ability to slow/snare large groups of foes with simple spells.
~ Energy to run many things, like monk builds.
~ Able to offer significant party defense and foe immobilization.

Mesmer:
~ Ability to control the flow of battle, but requires alot of attention.
~ An ability to run Anti-War/Ranger or Anti-Caster. But rarely both.
~ Can deal significant spike damage but conditional.
~ Can run other class builds with Fast Casting.
~ Ignores Armour

Now... shame on everyone who dragged this thread into yet another hell hole of "Mesmers are leet" vs "No they aren't". If you see a troll for god's sake don't feed it, you reduce yourself to its level and make yourself just as culpable and stupid. If you really think mesmers "OWNZROSS" great, I agree but keep it to yourself. There is no need to drag yet another thread into Mesmer self glorification, we all know its not the be all end all. Same applies for trolls who start these idiotic preceedings, keep it to yourself especially when you know that every body and their grandma will jump at the slightest liable of Mesmers. It really does no one any good.

If you are a mesmer who is compitent and has no inferiority complex or problem with how others view you then, please don't antagonize. If you worth your weight in skill then why the hell do you care?

Oh and the above applies to Elementalists as well.

Anyway... I am done. Ciao.

LifeInfusion · Apr 11, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

Mesmer. Eles are nearly useless in PvE, since SS single-handedly owns every ele nuke... and when was the last time you've seen a non-nuker ele in PvE?

CHOOSE MESMER. I am an elementalist and I still say so. Sure they have the annoyingly crappy riverdance but male elementalists have the annoyingly crappy seinfeld dance.

WHY? Because Mesmers will be buffed to the max in Factions whereas Elementalist skills that we are getting in Chapter 2 are UTTER CRAP. Take for example, Lightning Hammer. 25 Energy, 15 recharge and same damage as Lightnign Orb which is only 25% armor penetration.

Mesmers ignore ALL armor, can remove hexes, interrupt, disrupt, and utterly dominate the enemy. If my elementalist was not so old (since 2004 or 2005 Beta Previews when there were skill charms... and rings...) I would never have kept it.

When I made it I foolishly though I have 80 energy so it should be much better than fast casting. But that was because rune traders were non existent and all I found were minor runes. Elementalist have Zero damage potnetial with fire magic once you get to higher level areas like Ring of Fire Islands, Sorrow's Furnace, and Fissure of Woe. All they are good for is the knockdown.

Water and Earth on the other hand...are good for support through wards, conditions, and hexes. But who wants to support (besides me) when you can interrupt, disrupt, and dominate? Greater flexibility goes to the mesmer. Right now all you can hope for as an elementalist is to use a seocndary for high energy skill like Heal Party...

floplag · Apr 11, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

ill not get drawn into this again save for one comment ...

if you dont want a mesmer in your group, you dont have a clue what a mesmer can do

beyond that, to the OP ... have fun with either

Chanbara · Apr 11, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Yea... can't forget the awesome Earth Magic.

Obsidian flame makes me happy to be alive

d4nowar · Apr 12, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Uh oh, I envoked the mesmers wrath. Let me clear something up.

I never meant to say that mesmer skills are completely and utterly worthless in pve. There are quite a few which are practically required for many builds. And I'd always accept mesmers into my group, no prejudice against them.

I'd accept a primary mesmer getting their secondary skills off faster too, nothing wrong with that, as cast times can be a pain sometime.

Heck, I started a mesmer on the second or third BWE after starting with an R/Me(Pre-nerf, the good old days) in the WPE. Two of my pve characters still have mesmer secondaries, so I don't just ignore the entire class. It was fun and of course then I didn't know much. Second character I made after release was a mesmer. I made it probably a month after release, and only deleted it a couple of weeks ago. It all started off well. I was throwing down some serious damage and shutting down enemies with the best of them.

It was then that I noticed that some of my team mates with rangers were shutting down(EDIT: Meant interrupting... good call) better... and my elementalist, warrior, ranger, and necromancer team mates seemed to do their damage with the most consistancy. The monsters probably felt *poke poke poke poke poke SLAM poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke SLAM* as a result of my attacks or *Draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain*.

Once the AoE nerf came, my favorite skill became worthless. Chaos Storm was destroyed. I screamed in agony when I first tried my old and effective build. Arcane echo storm storm surge burn + smite hex on a warrior if i'm in a hex heavy area spelled destruction to basically everything I was fighting.

Even after that, my team mates would run on to the next group while I stayed behind for a minute and said, "Hold on guys, I got 30 seconds of waiting to do before my next zomg explosion."

I tried the Illusion thing, and even then I knew that degen or energy denial in pve was a silly thing, especially for a mesmer. I fought back against my energy woes with my mesmer energy management skills. They were handy. I used them. There were a few staple skills that shut down annoying mobs that I'd carry in when the situation came up, and cry of frustration usually found its way onto my bar, just for a neat little AoE interrupt.

I never said I was the best mesmer in the world. There are others among you that can stake claim to that title, with their millions of exp points ^^.

I just noticed that once the AoE nerf hit, other classes would just benefit so much more from having mesmer as a secondary, rather than playing as a mesmer primary.

So to respond again to the OP: Choose mesmer if you want a pretty looking toon and a fairly unique experience imo, or choose elementalist if you want to be more practical with the things you do, and want to be able to use more of those high cost skills that you never had a chance to use before.

The above post is for pve, I have a completely different opinion for pvp. I'm a 'he' btw.